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		<title>take a lesson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 08:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tiger Woods is apparently in hot water for something he said and did (or did not say or do). See here for the story. Here&#8217;s the part of the story that bugged me: However, one of the marshals in the group, Gary Anderson, said that Woods did nothing of the sort: &#8220;He didn’t ask us [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=carlsweatman.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4009639&#038;post=1807&#038;subd=carlsweatman&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiger Woods is apparently in hot water for something he said and did (or did not say or do). <a href="http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/golf-marshals-woods-never-asked-us-garcias-shot-173225925.html" target="_blank">See here</a> for the story. Here&#8217;s the part of the story that bugged me:</p>
<blockquote><p>However, one of the marshals in the group, Gary Anderson, said that Woods did nothing of the sort: &#8220;He didn’t ask us nothing, and we didn’t say nothing. We’re told not to talk to the players,&#8221; he told Sports Illustrated.</p></blockquote>
<p>So&#8230; according to your double double-negative, Mr marshal Gary Anderson, Tiger <strong><em>did</em></strong> ask you something and you <em><strong>did</strong></em><strong> </strong>say something in return. And that would mean you broke the &#8220;rule&#8221; about not talking to the players. Right now your defense is looking pretty crappy. Take a lesson from the one who gets his CV randomly read out and state things clearly:</p>
<blockquote><p>Nothing was said to us and we certainly said nothing to him.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 11:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post continues my foray into the Synoptic Problem debate; the first being found here. As mentioned earlier, the view of Markan priority is integral to “solving” the Synoptic Problem. In general, I accept the basic twofold premise that 1) the Synoptic Gospels have similarities and difference and 2) that these can be explained by [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=carlsweatman.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4009639&#038;post=1791&#038;subd=carlsweatman&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post continues my foray into the Synoptic Problem debate; the first being <a href="http://carlsweatman.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/let-the-beatings-begin/" target="_blank">found here</a>. As mentioned earlier, the view of Markan priority is integral to “solving” the Synoptic Problem. In general, I accept the basic twofold premise that 1) the Synoptic Gospels have similarities and difference and 2) that these can be explained by some type of sharing of material&#8211;whether it be the Synoptics themselves or other sources (or both). However, because Luke&#8217;s Gospel is the only one that expressly mentions reliance on other sources (<a href="http://www.esvbible.org/Luke+1%3A1-4/" target="_blank">Lk 1.1-4</a>&#8211;especially 1.1-2), I am approaching the debate by only focusing on the Gospels of Matthew and Mark and <em>their</em> relationship. Specifically: on the basis of internal (i.e. textual) evidence, can either Matthean or Markan priority be established? Or: who used whom? Or, more controversially: can it be proven that one even used the other?</p>
<p>Moreover, I am coming at this debate without committing myself to any one explanation about either the details or the whole. In other words, I am not presuming literary or oral dependence as either dichotomous or exclusively adequate explanations for the similarities and differences in Matthew and Mark. If it turns that one option happens to explain the evidence better, then so be it. My point is that I am not going to consider the evidence in a &#8220;Literary dependence is the best method, so let&#8217;s apply it to the Gospels&#8221; sort of way. That seems to presume the adequacy of the method before it is even tested. Alternatively, if both options (i.e. literary and oral dependence) sufficiently account for the evidence, then that possibility must also be allowable.</p>
<p>For my study of this debate, I decided to take the (rather unpopular) tack of questioning Markan priority. Before rocks are snatched up and arms cocked, let me qualify that statement: specifically, I am concerned with the particular arguments commonly employed by scholars for Markan priority.¹ Accordingly, my focus is primarily an investigation of the arguments used to get to Markan priority, and I take this as my focus because a number of questions/problems seem to arise from within the arguments themselves. In saying this I am not suggesting that all of the arguments are questionable or problematic; some of them are quite good. I am merely pointing out that some are not so good. Thus, any disagreements with specific arguments should not be read as attacks on the whole of Markan priority.</p>
<p>The interlocutor for today&#8217;s post is Udo Schnelle and one particular argument he provides in his, <a href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iEURAQAAIAAJ&amp;q=udo+schnelle+new+testament&amp;dq=udo+schnelle+new+testament&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=ywSSUeyXOozGPdP8gagE&amp;redir_esc=y" target="_blank"><em>History and Theology of the New Testament Writings</em></a> (1998). After briefly tracing the history of solutions to the Synoptic Problem, and implicitly denying each one along the way (see 162-66), Schnelle launches into a discussion on the &#8220;Two-Source Hypothesis&#8221; (see 166-72). For those unaware, this hypothesis operates on two key assumptions: 1) Mark&#8217;s Gospel was written first, and 2) Matthew and Luke used Mark and another source&#8211;i.e. &#8220;Q&#8221;&#8211;when composing/compiling their respective accounts. To address both of these points, and having already hinted at it in his historical survey (see 164), thus anticipating the discussion here, Schnelle contends:</p>
<blockquote><p>One compelling argument for the priority of Mark is the <em>order of pericopes </em>in the Synoptics. (166&#8211;emphasis original)</p></blockquote>
<p>Personally, this specific claim is a bit problematic. I say that partly because this particular line of argument is not the best place to start, and partly because the order of pericopes&#8211;in and of itself&#8211;says nothing about textual priority. Something more fundamental needs to be established before making this type of claim or before this argument carries any weight.² But I&#8217;ll let it stand for now. As a supporting example, Schnelle immediately follows this contention by pointing out:</p>
<blockquote><p>From 12.1 on, Matthew clearly follows the Markan order of pericopes when he takes over Markan material. (166-67)</p></blockquote>
<p>In saying &#8220;Matthew <em><strong>clearly follows</strong></em> the Markan order&#8221; and &#8220;he <em><strong>takes over</strong></em> Markan material&#8221; (my emphasis) Schnelle is asserting the pre-existence of Mark and its use by Matthew at the literary level. However, this supporting example only works if Markan priority is already assumed and being used, yet Markan priority is what is (supposedly) being established by this supporting example. By arguing in this way, a methodological (and logical) flaw is exposed: the argument must rely on or assume Markan priority in order to establish Markan priority via Matthew&#8217;s use of Markan material. This smells like <em>petitio principii</em>. Thus, I do not find this particular argument &#8220;compelling&#8221;.</p>
<p>_____________________________<br />
¹ In the spirit of E.P. Sanders (i.e. <em>Paul and Palestinian Judaism</em>), though not agreeing with all he says, I think it is a good thing to reconsider the long-standing arguments and to test their adequacy.<br />
² To measure consistency or divergence when following an order is to assume the existence of a pre-existing and established order, but the reasons for that assumption are conspicuously absent.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 08:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have four e-mail addresses: personal, University, joint (i.e. my lovely wife and me), and Yahoo. The first is the one I prefer and use most often, the second is used out of necessity, the third is for random things, and the last is lovingly called, my &#8220;crap e-mail.&#8221; It&#8217;s the one I use when [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=carlsweatman.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4009639&#038;post=1785&#038;subd=carlsweatman&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have four e-mail addresses: personal, University, joint (i.e. my lovely wife and me), and Yahoo. The first is the one I prefer and use most often, the second is used out of necessity, the third is for random things, and the last is lovingly called, my &#8220;crap e-mail.&#8221; It&#8217;s the one I use when I have to sign up for things or give out a valid e-mail address. Thus, it&#8217;s the one that receives the most crap (or spam).</p>
<p>However, because it&#8217;s a Yahoo address this means I occasionally have to endure the Yahoo homepage, which is usually nothing more than a cesspool of banal dronings about superficialities masquerading as real news. Admittedly, every so often there is something important and newsworthy, but it&#8217;s typically late in the feed or sandwiched between useless slices of stale drivel. (Can you tell I have a slight disdain for Yahoo?)</p>
<p>In exceptional cases (and by that I mean their rarity, not their quality), I find something that is simply laughable&#8211;not because it is funny but because it is painfully pathetic. Case in point: this morning I was slapped in the face with <a href="http://uk.news.yahoo.com/brazil-harpoon-accident-woman-shot-mouth-001241742.html#oVfc6Oy" target="_blank">this story</a>. My angst is not with the story itself. I truly feel for the woman who was inadvertently harpooned and I do pray that she makes a full recovery. My beef, however, is with the ineptitude at keeping the details straight&#8211;let alone consistent. Or valid. Or right. Here&#8217;s what I mean.</p>
<p>Take a look at the way in which the story is advertised in the newsfeed:</p>
<p><a href="http://carlsweatman.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/screen-shot-2013-05-09-at-09-01-07.png"><img class="alignnone  wp-image-1786" alt="Screen Shot 2013-05-09 at 09.01.07" src="http://carlsweatman.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/screen-shot-2013-05-09-at-09-01-07.png?w=494&#038;h=416" width="494" height="416" /></a></p>
<p>Now, I ask you, dear reader: do you remember seeing anything in the original story about the women being &#8220;<strong>inches</strong> away from death&#8221;? I don&#8217;t. I do, however, remember seeing that &#8220;the harpoon came within <strong>1cm</strong> of killing the woman.&#8221; In case you missed it:</p>
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<p>Last time I checked, &#8220;1cm&#8221; is a far cry from &#8220;inches&#8221;&#8211;the plural form implying more than one inch. Come on, people; it&#8217;s basic education! You know, the stuff you learned when you were about 5. (Another child left behind).</p>
<p>I think what bugs me even more is that the newsfeed presents the &#8220;inches from death&#8221; as though it&#8217;s a legitimate quotation, but it&#8217;s not. No one in the article says that! Ever. So, not only are the technical details inconsistent (i.e. patently wrong) yet presented as though nothing&#8217;s really problematic, the quotation doesn&#8217;t even exist yet it is proffered as though it does. That&#8217;s just poor and painfully pathetic reporting.</p>
<p>I think I need more coffee&#8230;.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The possession of any kind of spiritual authority is a solemn responsibility rather than a privilege, and its possessor must constantly be aware of the temptation to domineer over those for whose spiritual welfare he is responsible; he must also beware of the danger of using his position for his own ends, whether as a [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=carlsweatman.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4009639&#038;post=1782&#038;subd=carlsweatman&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The possession of any kind of spiritual authority is a solemn responsibility rather than a privilege, and its possessor must constantly be aware of the temptation to domineer over those for whose spiritual welfare he is responsible; he must also beware of the danger of using his position for his own ends, whether as a means of making money or bolstering his own ego.</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align:right;">&#8211;I. Howard Marshall, <em>Acts </em>(1980), 158</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">The masculine pronouns should not be read as an escape clause; this truth applies just as equally to women pastors/ministers/vicars.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 15:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once this post goes live I&#8217;m bound to get an ear-full from Gospels scholars, particularly those of the Markan priority type. But no matter. A little disagreement is good every now and then. As long as it&#8217;s constructive.</p>
<p>For the past two weeks I&#8217;ve been (re-)exploring the world of Gospels scholarship, specifically the discussions on the so-called &#8220;Synoptic Problem&#8221; and the priority of Mark. In the majority of cases, the view of Markan priority (i.e. Mark&#8217;s Gospel was the first to be written and then used by Matthew and Luke) is integral to &#8220;solving&#8221; the Synoptic Problem. The two big questions that have bugged me for a while, and they are the ones fueling my (re-)exploration, are: 1) are the arguments for Markan priority really that good/persuasive, and 2) on the basis/assumption that Matthew and Luke used Mark, did Mark use any sources or is he exempt from relying on such things?</p>
<p>To stir the pot a little (with an industrial blender), I am finding myself not being persuaded by most of the arguments for Markan priority&#8211;i.e. I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re all that good. I&#8217;ll have to come back to that discussion later, for it will take a little more time to develop. Based on what I&#8217;ve seen thus far, I can say the same thing for the case for Mark&#8217;s use of source. For this post, I am going to consider one argument (=piece of &#8220;evidence&#8221;) related to that case. The argument comes from B.H. Branscomb (<em>The Gospel of Mark </em>[1937], xxiii) and runs as follows&#8211;with running commentary by yours truly:</p>
<blockquote><p>The series of conflicts between Jesus and the Jewish religious leaders narrated in ii.1&#8211;iii.6 evidently came to the editor [of the Gospel] in written form. . . .</p></blockquote>
<p>How this is evident is not clearly defined, but I&#8217;ll let it slide for now&#8211;unless it&#8217;s evident in a <em>petitio principii </em>sort of way.</p>
<blockquote><p>This is generally accepted. . . .</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s news to me, but then again I&#8217;ve spent the majority of my academic research in Pauline studies. Admittedly, this &#8220;generally accepted&#8221; remark was made in 1937 and things may have changed since then. Or maybe they haven&#8217;t. Anyone?</p>
<blockquote><p>But the source from which this came also contributed some further material. . . .</p></blockquote>
<p>So, based on everything said so far, we&#8217;re dealing with a (supposed) written source from which the editor of the Gospel of Mark gleaned information. Okie dokie.</p>
<blockquote><p>For in xii.13 there appears another conflict episode introduced by a reference to the combination of Pharisees and Herodians against Jesus with which iii.6 closes.  The Herodians as a party are not mentioned elsewhere in ancient literature. . . .</p></blockquote>
<p>Hang on a minute. You can&#8217;t say &#8220;The Herodians as a party are not mentioned elsewhere in ancient literature&#8221; after contending that the conflict story which mentions the Herodians is derived from a written source which came to the editor&#8217;s attention. Had you said, &#8220;The Herodians as a party are not mentioned elsewhere in ancient <em><strong>extant</strong></em><strong> </strong>literature&#8221; that would be fine, because you already admitted that the other &#8220;sources&#8221; used are no longer extant. But you didn&#8217;t, and that&#8217;s not fine&#8211;especially if we&#8217;re using the details of your argument. In other words: if we accept that the editor used a written source, and that written source mentions the Herodians, then <em><strong>they are</strong></em><strong> &#8220;</strong>mentioned elsewhere in ancient literature&#8221;, despite the fact we longer possess that source as independent testimony.</p>
<blockquote><p>Nowhere else does Mark mention this combination of opponents, nor do the contents of either section suggest their names. . . .</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, so? Nowhere else, outside of 7.26, does Mark mention the Syrophoenician race. Are we to assume that Mark (or the editor of) could only obtain knowledge about such people from written sources? I just don&#8217;t see the necessity for that assumption, or the one in the previous claim (of Branscomb, that is).</p>
<blockquote><p>It seems plain that there is a connection between the two passages, and the influence of a written source would seem to be the natural explanation. . . .</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Big deal&#8221; to the first half, and &#8220;No it doesn&#8217;t&#8221; to the second. It does only if you&#8217;re already assuming the use of a written source, but that&#8217;s starting to slide into <em>petitio principii</em>.</p>
<blockquote><p>But how much more this document supplied, whether the one additional episode only, or the section from xii.13 to xii.34, cannot be said with assurance.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s it?! Hardly a convincing case. No real arguments outside of suppositions.</p>
<p>Branscomb&#8217;s got seven more pieces of &#8220;evidence&#8221; that presumably prove the existence of (written) sources behind Mark&#8217;s Gospel. If the remaining seven are anything like this one, in the words of Prince Humperdinck: &#8220;I&#8217;ll shall be very put out.&#8221;</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday The Guardian provided the results of an American-based survey on various conspiracy theories. Interestingly, the headline focused only on one of the 26 questions: Obama as the Antichrist. Two things&#8211;one about the headline, and one about the survey&#8211;and then a third, which is less troubling. With regard to the headline, it&#8217;s a bit misleading. [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=carlsweatman.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4009639&#038;post=1773&#038;subd=carlsweatman&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/02/americans-obama-anti-christ-conspiracy-theories" target="_blank">The Guardian provided the results</a> of an American-based survey on various conspiracy theories. Interestingly, the headline focused only on one of the 26 questions: Obama as the Antichrist. Two things&#8211;one about the headline, and one about the survey&#8211;and then a third, which is less troubling.</p>
<p>With regard to the headline, it&#8217;s a bit misleading. According to the numbers in the results (the <a href="http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_ConspiracyTheories_040213.pdf" target="_blank">full break-down is here</a>), only 13% believe Obama is the Antichrist. That&#8217;s hardly &#8220;one in four Americans.&#8221; The only way you can get close to a &#8220;one in four&#8221; charge (i.e. 25%) is if you lump the 13% from the &#8220;not sure&#8221; category, which is what Paul Harris does in the article. He does this on the basis that &#8220;not sure&#8221; = &#8220;possibly so&#8221; or &#8220;I could be convinced&#8221;. A bit shady on the method, but understandable. &#8220;One in four&#8221; sounds better and (slightly) more widespread than &#8220;one in seven(ish)&#8221;.</p>
<p>With regard to the survey, it too is a bit misleading. If we went on the title alone, we get the impression that 25% of (all) Americans believe Obama is the Antichrist. Given the population of the US (315,610,625, as of 8.30 this morning), that would mean something around 78,902,656.25. (Who is the .25 of a person!?). But that can&#8217;t be right. Outside of Garnier, who would survey that many people? Harris does explain that the survey involved only &#8220;a sample of American voters&#8221;. Okie dokie. <a href="http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/" target="_blank">According to this site</a>, last year there were 146,311,000 registered voters in the US (a number that seems too clean for my taste, but no matter). So if we use that number, then, according to Harris&#8217; &#8220;one in four&#8221; charge, that would mean 36,577,750 people surveyed believe Obama to be the Antichrist. (Thankfully, no fractions of people this time). But that can&#8217;t be right either.</p>
<p>Conveniently (or smartly), Harris leaves out the exact size of the sample, and he suspiciously leaves out any links to survey itself. Again, it sounds so much better and more&#8211;dare I say&#8211;condemning to say &#8220;one in four Americans&#8221; and let people assume that the number is huge. But what about facts? If you were to take the 12 seconds to do your own search and locate the survey in question (or just use the link I supplied&#8211;you&#8217;re welcome), you would see that the sample-size is . . . get ready for this . . . 1247. I didn&#8217;t leave out any numbers. 1,2,4,7. That&#8217;s all. Seriously, Harris: Asda&#8217;s got more stuff on sale.</p>
<p>Accordingly, if we use Harris&#8217; bold figure of 25%, that would mean only 311.75 people believe Obama is the Antichrist. That&#8217;s not &#8220;one in four&#8221;. That&#8217;s like one in a million (I think; my maths are a little rusty this morning). But no one is going to care if Harris says that figure, so it&#8217;s no wonder that his misleadingly says, &#8220;one in four&#8221;. Things get uglier if we use the solid number of 13%, which would bring the total to a whopping 162.11 people. That&#8217;s just under one in every two million (again, I think). Seriously, Harris: you&#8217;re going to paint 1/4 of Americans with a brush admittedly used by only 162.11 people? Tsk! Tsk!</p>
<p>The third thing, and this is the modicum of solace: only 162.11 people admit to believing Obama to be the Antichrist. I don&#8217;t mean to sound crass, but it&#8217;s comforting to know that only 162.11 people have a faulty understanding of the Antichrist. If we follow what the Johannine Epistles say, the &#8220;antichrist&#8221; (ἀντιχριστος) is anyone who &#8220;denies the Father and the Son&#8221; (1Jn 2.22) and/or denies &#8220;Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh&#8221; (2Jn 1.7). While the Johannine Epistle seem to suggest a solitary figure&#8211;i.e. <strong><em>the</em> </strong>Antichrist&#8211;appearing in the last days (cf. 1Jn 2.18; 4.3), nothing definite is said about him (or her&#8211;sorry, I have to be PC these days). However, since the language of the Epistles on this matter is apocalyptic, we can safely assume that this solitary figure is understood in apocalyptic terms&#8211;i.e. he (or she) ain&#8217;t human. And if he (or she) ain&#8217;t human, then Obama can&#8217;t be <em><strong>the</strong></em> Antichrist. Same goes for the new Pope&#8211;<em>contra</em> <a href="www.thelastpope.com" target="_blank">this guy</a>&#8211;or any other person.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may be completely alone in this, but I find humor in Paul&#8217;s remarks in 1 Cor 1.14-16: I thank God that I baptized none of you except Cripus and Gaius, so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=carlsweatman.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4009639&#038;post=1767&#038;subd=carlsweatman&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be completely alone in this, but I find humor in Paul&#8217;s remarks in 1 Cor 1.14-16:</p>
<blockquote><p>I thank God that I baptized none of you except Cripus and Gaius, so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other.</p></blockquote>
<p>Every time I read this passage I hear the first bit (&#8220;I thank God . . .&#8221;) spoken with passion and definiteness. And then I imagine Paul thinking, &#8220;Oh crap, that&#8217;s not right&#8221;, before&#8211;under his breath, maybe or in hushed tones&#8211;mentioning the first half of the second bit (&#8220;Now I did . . .&#8221;), and then resuming the original passion and definiteness for the final claim, &#8220;beyond that . . .&#8221;.  It&#8217;s almost as though Paul&#8217;s desire to make a point got the better of him and he suddenly realized it, thus requiring some self-correction. (Or maybe Sosthenes chimed in and reminded Paul of what happened).</p>
<p>But there is something else about this passage that I appreciate, and that is Paul&#8217;s decision to leave the self-correction in the text for everyone to see. Sure, since this comment was early on the in letter, Paul could have said, &#8220;Scrap that and let&#8217;s start again.&#8221; But he doesn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s almost as though he&#8217;s saying: &#8220;See, I&#8217;m not perfect; I screw up from time to time. But I&#8217;m willing to own up to it.&#8221; Could this be a part (or an illustration) of the wider argument he is making to the Corinthians? Maybe.</p>
<p>However, answering that question is not the point of this post. This post is about something I noticed this morning while reading a little handbook on Romans. I found what looks to be John Robinson adopting Paul&#8217;s style:</p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps the easiest way to picture the progress of the epistle is as though you were making a journey by canal across an isthmus. You could imagine the epistle going from Corinth to Rome across the isthmus of Corinth, though the first canal was not in fact begun until about ten years after Paul was writing. It was started by the emperor Nero in 66-67 with a work-force largely composed of indentured Jewish slaves, and then abandoned unfinished. Until that time, smaller vessels were apparently dragged over bodily on some sort of slipway. But imagine, for the sake of the exercise . . .</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align:right;">&#8211;J.A.T. Robinson, <a href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QMMFNAAACAAJ&amp;dq=wrestling+with+romans&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=PaxaUaHXPI6sOuyvgYgB&amp;redir_esc=y" target="_blank"><em>Wrestling with Romans</em></a> (1979), 9</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as though Robinson realizes, as soon as he writes it, that his analogy is crap&#8211;or at least historically inappropriate&#8211;and has to correct himself. Hence the over-qualification. As with Paul, what&#8217;s interesting in this case is that Robinson retains the analogy for the sake of his argument (which is quite good, by the way) and we get to see it&#8211;despite its inappropriateness. Any other writer today would rework the argument or come up with a different analogy for the final manuscript so as to avoid embarrassment. Not Robinson. And that&#8217;s commendable.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every single day I have the wonderful opportunity to experience and endure all of the joys, challenges, and frustrations that come with A.D.D. This condition has been my partner-in-crime since 1989&#8211;officially, speaking; because that&#8217;s when we figured out what was making me drive my teachers mad. If you know what it&#8217;s like to have this [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=carlsweatman.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4009639&#038;post=1760&#038;subd=carlsweatman&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every single day I have the wonderful opportunity to experience and endure all of the joys, challenges, and frustrations that come with A.D.D. This condition has been my partner-in-crime since 1989&#8211;officially, speaking; because that&#8217;s when we figured out what was making me drive my teachers mad. If you know what it&#8217;s like to have this opportunity, you&#8217;ll know what I mean. If you have no idea what it&#8217;s like, it&#8217;s something like this:</p>
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<p>Now, imagine trying to sort through that world of weird <em>all day long</em> while at the same time keeping up with real life stuff, or trying to perform a task that requires focused attention. Like listening to a lecture. Or having a conversation. Or spending time with friends. Or reading. Or writing. The difficulties with paying attention are magnified when I&#8217;m in a crowded room, especially when there are multiple conversations going on in that room. Without wanting to, I wind up hearing anywhere between two and four conversations at once on top of the one I&#8217;m having with someone else. It is struggle to tune out all of the other noise so that I can focus my attention on the conversation that matters. Suffice it to say: it can be exhausting.</p>
<p>But the exhaustion is not always the difficult part. One of the hardest challenges, at least for me, is trying not to let on to someone else that this is happening and/or that I&#8217;m having difficulty focusing. More specifically, it&#8217;s extremely challenging for me not to send the wrong &#8220;non-verbal&#8221; message(s) or have them interpreted in a way that I would never intend. I say that because my non-verbal communication breaks all the rules&#8211;if one were to apply the rules to me on the assumption that I have no underlying condition.</p>
<p>For example: I have trouble standing still or even sitting still. To help prevent this from becoming visibly obvious, I will often cross my arms or put my hands in my pockets (if standing) or cross my arms and/or legs (if sitting), and will usually be touching or gently rubbing a part of my face. If I&#8217;m not touching or gently rubbing my face, I will have something in my hand (e.g. a pen, chapstick, a coin) and will fidget with it. None of this is a sign of boredom or disengagement; it is simply the way in which I can distract the part of my brain that produces the world of weird so that I can focus on what matters.</p>
<p>Probably the most annoying&#8211;at least for the other person, I&#8217;m sure&#8211;is that I have trouble maintaining eye-contact. This trouble is never personal, nor is it meant to signal a lack of conversational connectivity. It is simply, at least for me, a result of my A.D.D. recognizing new things in the room or immediate environment and processing that newness. It is not that the newness is more interesting or appealing than the conversation I&#8217;m in; it is simply something new. That newness hardly ever trumps my desire to talk with you or hear what you have to say.¹ Thus, I can assure you (if/whenever we ever meet) that while I might be seeing other things, I am listening to everything you say. And as strange as it may sound: my taking in the things I see is a way for me to focus on what I hear.</p>
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¹ The only trump card in this case is if someone is having a serious problem or what I see is about to turn ugly.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Per my usual morning routine, and because I am not able to take classes anymore, I was listening to a lecture by a professor at Westminster Theological Seminary, who will remain anonymous (to protect the guilty). The course, for the past 7 seven lectures has been rather good, and I anticipate its continued goodness for [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=carlsweatman.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4009639&#038;post=1757&#038;subd=carlsweatman&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per my usual morning routine, and because I am not able to take classes anymore, I was listening to a lecture by a professor at Westminster Theological Seminary, who will remain anonymous (to protect the guilty). The course, for the past 7 seven lectures has been rather good, and I anticipate its continued goodness for the remaining 17. We&#8217;ll see how it goes.</p>
<p>This morning&#8217;s lecture dealt with the twin topics of revelation (not the book of) and eschatology&#8211;two topics that often grab my attention. To begin the lecture, the professor (we&#8217;ll call him, &#8220;Bob&#8221;) recapped some of the previous discussions in order to show their relevance for the current one. In the midst recapping, &#8220;Bob&#8221; raised the point about names having &#8220;significant, historical, redemptive connotations&#8221;, and that sometimes names are purposefully changed by God to reflect this reality. Moreover, the name-change signals something about the person, namely: that person is now going to be used by God in the unfolding of God&#8217;s redemptive plan.</p>
<p>In an effort to illustrate (or even prove) his point, &#8220;Bob&#8221; listed off some key biblical figures where he sees this purposeful name-changing thing taking place&#8211;e.g. Abram &#8211;&gt; Abraham.¹ And then it happened. I feared it would the moment he started this line of argument, and he proved my fears correct. He mentioned the apostle Paul as an example! I nearly came out of my skin, which would be a bit gross. And messy to clean up. I have heard and read this (bad) theory many times,² and each time it provokes the same response&#8211;i.e. the coming of the skin thing. I say it&#8217;s a bad theory because it is simply not true, let alone consistent with the biblical text. And &#8220;Bob&#8221;, being a systematic theologian, should know this&#8211;i.e. he should know better.</p>
<p>The only passage in the NT that refers to Paul as having another name is Acts 13.9. It is true that up to this point, he has been called, &#8220;Saul&#8221; and after this point he is referred to as &#8220;Paul&#8221; (excepting Acts 22.7 and 26.14). I&#8217;ll grant that, but only that. Nothing in the text suggests either 1) that the name was changed from Saul to Paul <em>as a result of</em> a direct encounter with God or with some divine, redemptive-historical assignment,³ or 2) that &#8220;Paul&#8221; was not already a name by which he was known. In fact, the text simply reads: &#8220;But Saul&#8211;who [is] also Paul&#8211;being filled with the Holy Spirit&#8230;&#8221; (Σαυλος δε ὁ και Παυλος πλησθεις πνευματος ἁγιου). Nothing about a name-change. Only that he had another name.</p>
<p>If such a name-change took place, as &#8220;Bob&#8221; and other parrot, and if such a changing is ordinarily linked with some divine encounter and/or redemptive-historical commissioning, then we would expect to see the Saul-Paul shift taking place after Acts 9.19 and not nearly 4 chapters later. But we don&#8217;t. And we don&#8217;t see it because it ain&#8217;t there, and it ain&#8217;t there because &#8220;Paul&#8221; was always one of his names, given to him at birth. Some 30 years prior.</p>
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¹ This theory begins to fall apart when we consider the names of Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and even James (the brother of Jesus). All of these men retained their (original) names despite encountering God and/or being given specific divine commissions.<br />
² Augustine seems to one of the earliest to suggest it (see <em>Sermons, </em>225). After that, it can be found in the works of scholars, pastors, church-goers, and even skeptics&#8211;e.g. J. Stow, <em>Reflections on the Epistles of St Paul </em>(1847), 318; C.J. den Heyer, <em>Paul </em>(2000), 27; M. Dimont, <em>Jews, God, and History</em> (2004), 141; B. Organ, <em>Is the Bible Fact or Fiction? </em>(2004), 48; A. Scheil, <em>The Footsteps of Israel</em> (2004), 224; J. Carter, <em>Faith </em>(2008), 300; D. Ridges, <em>Your Study of the New Testament</em> (2008), 26.<br />
³ Adolf Jülicher already made this point&#8211;see <em>Introduction </em>(1904), 34.</p>
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		<title>two similar quotes&#8230;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[or two writers recognizing the importance of a singular point? When commenting on a statement put out by &#8220;The Bible Literacy Project&#8221;, Joel Green says: Encouraging study about the Bible in public schools , this document sketches possibilities for curriculum related to the Bible and literature, the Bible and history, and the Bible and world [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=carlsweatman.wordpress.com&#038;blog=4009639&#038;post=1754&#038;subd=carlsweatman&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>When commenting on a statement put out by &#8220;The Bible Literacy Project&#8221;, Joel Green says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Encouraging study about the Bible in public schools , this document sketches possibilities for curriculum related to the Bible and literature, the Bible and history, and the Bible and world religions. As important as this project might be on its own terms, this is not reading the Bible as Scripture. . . . [T]he slogan that has driven critical study of the biblical materials&#8211;&#8221;Read the Bible as you would read any other book&#8221;&#8211;however helpful and well-intentioned, cannot on its own promote a reading of the Bible as Scripture. This way of engaging the Bible cannot sustain the people of God. This motto, I will argue, is not so much inappropriate as it is inadequate. It is not even the most important, first step to be taken.</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align:right;">&#8211;Joel B. Green, <em>Seized by Truth: Reading the Bible as Scripture</em> (2007), 2</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">When commenting on the significance of studying the NT in Greek, Randolph Tasker says:</p>
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<p style="text-align:left;">the writings of the New Testament are for the most part not &#8220;literature&#8221; in the sense in which we apply that word to secular writings; and the attempt to promote the reading of it by presenting it as though it were &#8220;literature&#8221; in this sense is doomed to failure. The Gospels are meant to be read, and perhaps ought only to be read, because they contain a gospel, to accept which is man&#8217;s greatest need. If we want &#8220;literature&#8221; of an aesthetically satisfying nature, we must turn our attention elsewhere.</p>
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<p style="text-align:right;">&#8211;R.V.G. Tasker, <em>The Nature and Purpose of the Gospels</em> (1944), 108</p>
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